Tuesday 16 June 2015

Nienie and CJane-My Two Pence Worth.

Word to the wise this will only be interesting to a very few.....so if you are short on time skip it:)


So I read two blogs regularly and have done for years.  They both happen to be sisters.  Like many of their readers I came to them after one of the sisters, Stephanie was in a serious plane crash.  Stephanie suffered 3rd degree burns over 80% of her body, her survival chances were very slim, her family were warned if she did survive her injuries would make her life very different.  She was in a drug induced coma for 3 months, and has endured a painful but miraculous recovery.


As she lay in a coma her sister Courtney took over her blog and kept readers up to date.  That's when I became a reader.  Courtney happened to have her own blog and after Stephanie's odds defying recovery they both continued blogging at their respective blogging homes.  

It might be worth mentioning now that these girls are as mormon as it gets.  Dyed in the wool, true blue through and through,well connected, multi-generational, born and raised in the heart of Mormondom-Provo Utah Mormons.   You get the idea?


At first my interest lay in the aftermath of the accident.  How would Stephanie cope? What would her recovery be like? What did she now look like? By this time I had caught up with all her posts and saw that she had had a beautiful life and was physically and mentally strong and deeply devoted to her family and faith before the accident.  



Before 
And After

As for Courtney well as she blogged as Stephanie lay in a coma I had got to know her online persona too.  She had been caring for Stephanie's children with every intention of taking them in to her permanent care should it be necessary.  Back then even her blogging picture had been photoshopped to include a tongue in cheek halo-a nod to her irreverent humour and ego-centricity.  Her blog had previously been about her infertility journey a topic close to my heart.




Both ladies were strangers to me, but somehow I felt invested in their stories and how it would all turn out.  I was hooked, a loyal and avid daily reader.  The posts themselves took only minutes from my day and an equal measure of headspace thereafter.    At times though both of them have authored beautiful, hopeful and thought provoking messages that lingered in my mind and influenced my day for good.  One a gifted writer and the other a creative chronicler- both kept me coming back for more.

Usually friends, who also read them both, had a preference.  Once a friend told me she had stopped reading Cjane since she thought she was too angry.  "Angry?" Really? I hadn't noticed.  She was very real and raw, open about her moods and challenges but still positive and uplifting I thought.    
On a visit to Utah I met Stephanie and her two daughters at her book signing.  She was beautiful and I cried when I saw her.   On that visit I heard stories from people who outlined a tenuous connection they had to her  "She was snobby and elitist" they had decided, and still a little since the accident.  Other friends this side of the pond said they found Stephanie too sickly and sugar coated.  Maybe that was true maybe it wasn't, I can't say I was bothered by any of that, it wasn't all that I saw.

Each sister is clearly different in their approach to life. Stephanie is idealistic, simple and less revealing.  She doesn't allow comments on her blog.  This window to her life is strictly under her control.  You couldn't say she is exactly guarded, at times she shares her struggles but always with an up beat "that was yesterday I'm over it now" kind of tone.  

Courtney is swirling, eclectic and allows us into the deepest recesses of her life or so it seems.  With Courtney it feels like nothing is out of bounds and she is happier leaving her questions and explorations in the air for her readers to draw their own conclusions.  Her comments section can be rowdy and un-censored where feelings run high after a particularly provocative post.

An example of their difference was perhaps when they both posted about the death of their grandmother.  Stephanie's tribute was pretty and glowing, focusing on her grandmothers best attributes.  Stephanie made her sound saintly and wonderful.  Courtney too shared her sadness but also told of how she was never sure that her grandmother approved of her and posted about how that made her feel.  I was touched by both of their perspectives and didn't doubt for a minute that both sisters were sharing their truth.  


Sometimes it felt like they were answering one another like Courtney's declaration of her support for Ordain Women - a highly controversial movement (in mormon circles) calling for the question of female ordination to be considered.  



Stephanie's almost twin dated post allowed her to nail her colours to the mast in case we were in any doubt what her thoughts on the matter were.  She shared her admiration for all her sisters but also her fear for those who broke covenants.

Then there was the time it was revealed that Stephanie's blog had been chosen to help in the Romney campaign where Courtney's had been deemed somehow inappropriate for the tone the campaign was trying to set.  Shortly after Cjane outed herself as a democrat. 


It sometimes felt like Courtney just couldn't avoid the gritty, meaty stuff.  Between topics like pornography addiction, the religious debate around homosexuality,  body image, the ups and downs of motherhood and more.  She has shared her thoughts and faith status liberally and in real time.   Like confetti with one post here another there, scattering the feelings of her heart and questions of her soul.  Was this classic middle child syndrome, did she just like being different?  Whatever it is it is powerful, useful and easily relatable and I love it.  She always gives you something to get your teeth in to.

All the while Stephanie did what she does best, shared her joy in motherhood, home and family and of course her unwavering faith in the LDS church, it's leaders and their teachings.  I joyed in her milestones like her being able to climb a beloved hill once more, health scares and surgeries, getting pregnant, family celebrations and simple day to day things that she found happiness in.  

Her life looked like a stylised but very believable fairytale before the accident and somehow even after her horrific injuries she has it looking that way again. 

An undoubtedly remarkable woman, who is capable of super-human mental capacity to make real the story she chooses to focus on.  And her story is always full of warmth and light and hope.

As it goes it's Stephanie that is likely better known after doing the rounds on all the talk shows, Oprah, Good Morning America, Glen Beck and others.  She wrote a best selling book about the accident and is a sought after speaker.  Whilst Courtney has pursued local causes bringing culture and fun to her city through rooftop concerts she sponsors.  She too is a bit of a thought leader in her own right but perhaps best known only in Mormon circles.  


So as I say a while ago Courtney shared her support for the ordain women movement.  In Mormonism this is enough for her to be considered a heretic.  And just a few days ago she shared that she has been experiencing a shift in her beliefs.   This is hard to imagine, remember she is a dyed in the wool, true blue Mormon, this kind of dramatic fall from grace does not happen very often. Could she be having a religious re-think? That's what some commenters on her blog surmised after her second to last post, some even gleefully. 


Since I read both blogs one after the other I couldn't help but compare her to her sister again.  Fair or not I think a lot of people will be and most probably will be taking sides.  On the day of Courtney's waking up post Stephanie shared a pulpit with Elder Holland and her blog showed pictures of them embracing one another like old friends.  That fact alone makes this a pretty much an open and shut case for many readers.

These two sisters represent to me something that is going on in my church at the moment.  It's hard to tell to what extent, I suppose it depends on who you listen to.  Some say the internet is to Mormons what the printing press was to the Catholic church.  Some say you can't google a testimony.  But that's a whole other post.

Perhaps both sisters are an acquired taste and to my non mormon friends this post will just come off as a weird internet stalking habit.  Maybe they'll think I should get out a bit more or something.  Here in Scotland none of this stuff matters, religion in general is a very niche topic and this kind of stuff doesn't even register, its a niche in a niche.  To my mormon friends they will wonder what I am trying to say with this post and try to place me in a suitable pigeon hole.  Who do I agree with, which side am I on?  They might easily suggest I quickly give up on CJane and stick with Stephanie.  

If for now Stephanie and Courtney are on opposite sides a debate well somewhere in between lies me.  I "get" them both and totally resonate with each of them.  I love the cheese of one and the questioning of the other.  Like them I am always interested in growth, and believe in listening to my heart.  For now my heart tells me that both of these women are good and have something useful to share with me.  

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30 comments:

  1. I read both blogs, and am an inactive mormon. Very interesting, I really enjoyed this post.

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    1. Thanks Melanie:). So how do you see it all from your point of view? Do you also enjoy them both equally? I'd be genuinely interested to hear your perspective if you have time to share xx

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    2. I think it is unfortunate, but there is a tendency to compare not just the blogs, but the sisters themselves. You have done an admirable job of accepting both sisters for who they are.You're right that most people are likely to take sides. Although I am aware of both blogs and the personalities behind them, I follow neither on a regular basis. If I did—and I'm talking literally here—I would follow Stephanie because I think she would lead me to a safer place. She seems to have her hand firmly on the iron rod. Adversity weakens many people, but it seems to have made her stronger. This is a woman who knows who she is and where she is going. She lives a purpose-driven life and I admire that about her. She has shown us her scars in order that she might also share her testimony. I don't think she does it for the praise and honor of the general public. Perhaps her comments are closed because she doesn't need them to validate who she is. Perhaps they are also closed because people can be cruel and she doesn't need that either. As for her sister, well, I wish I could say that she inspires me too, but I don't much relate to her. To be perfectly honest, I was late to the NieNie Dialogues and found out about CJane even later. When I realized she was Stephanie's sister, but that she was also linked to anti-Mormon sources, it made me curious, but more curious about why people become disaffected with the Church than anything else. I don't agree with some of the conclusions she has made, but she certainly has the right to make them. It's just that I worry about the influence she has, being as vocal as she is. There is a lot of fomenting going on in the comment section of her blog. Debate is healthy, but I don't see anyone's mind being changed. If you are of a mind to be disaffected, then you are more likely to relate to CJane. At least, that's the way it appears to me. She seems to be at a crossroads in her life, not really sure which path to take. The disaffected ones are encouraging her to take their path, while the devout ones are hoping she will take theirs. It's a decision only she can make, but I wonder about all those voices and how they are really affecting her. I'm sure Stephanie hears all those voices as well, but she has filtered out the ones that would take her off course. To me, she is the one who who seems fully awake.

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    3. Hey Irene I think you win my longest comment ever award (not an actual award like prize more an accolade) congratulations:)

      Thanks for posting. Yeah I know what you mean about the comparison thing. I have sisters and we are not very alike, not very different either but not the same and I understand what you mean about the feeling safe thing too. Like I say I have lots of friends that wouldn't start or have stopped reading her for that reason. It's a strange one really I wonder what i would think if I was coming to her fresh. I also agree about not changing anyones mind in some of these online debates it tends to polarise people further and further apart. It is hard to look and really see and to listen and really hear at the best of times and possibly even harder online.

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  2. I've been reading Stephanie's blog for years now. I knew of her blog before the accident happened. I occasionally read Cjane. You wrote a post that is mostly down the middle..although it seems your sentiments lie with the "Courtney is swirling, eclectic and allows us into the deepest recesses of her life" which is totally okay.

    My perspective is unique...I'm not LDS and I'm also male. I think males are definitely the minority when it comes to reading "mommy blogs"
    I will be blunt and honest...Outside of the LDS world .... there is no question that Stephanie receives the brunt of hate and vitriol from so-called "tolerant" liberals. Whether it's on Twitter or a site called GOMI (Get Off My Internets). Stephanie is attacked for being traditional in her faith and conservative in her politics, She's routinely called homophobic, bigot, racist, ugly, bad mother. Her children are attacked and her husband is called routinely called gay.

    Cjane basically wants the Mormon church to embrace a leftist ideology to fit her leftist beliefs. She can leave the church if she doesn't feel connected to it., no one is forcing her to remain there.
    So much of what Cjane writes comes across as "daddy didn't love me enough" issues. Just like how she described her feelings about her grandmother.
    We all have obstacles in life...some more than others. But Cjane's blog reads like one big "me me me" storybook.
    Much easier to be a "Cjane" in today's society. The culture, media, and the universities are all left of center. Cjane is fully embraced in 2015 culture..Stephanie is not.
    The irony of all this I believe is that..it's Stephanie that is the brave one. In 2015...to hold conservative social viewpoints is to be be held up to ridicule and name calling. She holds strong despite the negativity.
    Unlike Cjane.. she isn't focused on the "me" aspect of life. She's got guts and I admire her.

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    1. Hello Annymous 2nd prize to you for comment length, valiant effort though:) Thanks for your comment. Yes maybe you are not the usual demographic for nienie and cjane. But maybe I'm wrong and just not being broad minded:)

      Wow thats really sad what you say about the GOMI stuff. I haven't really come across it but have heard both nienie and Cjane make some remarks about that type of thing. I mean seriously who has the time?! (Says me who just wrote a post about 2 complete strangers;)

      Its interesting that you say my sentiments lie with CJane, what gave you that impression? Maybe you are right and can read my sub conscious through my words:) I was thinking about that and checking if I thought it was true. I gave it fair hearing and some prodding thought. But I decided it's not true, I honestly believe what as I say. I admire them both and think they both have something useful to offer to me for now.

      Well Mr anonymous you are welcome back anytime:) Really not sure what my next post will be about though or when. Kind of a pot luck around here....ask my husband;)

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  3. Great post! I too found these ladies at the time of the accident. I haven't followed either too much lately. I truly feel bad for Courtney and her constant need for validation. Mormonism is just not going to feed her narcissistic personality the way she desperately wants it to. Her claims of being wounded not offended would make most shut down the comments and thus stop the wounding, but I think it boosts the money she is paid by blogger. I would like to think she is sincere but blogging is her job and she needs money, I think she has found a contentious niche that will keep people coming back for more.

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    1. Ok annon 2 I do have a couple of things, you know when you say about her offended comment, well I think you are misunderstanding that. She isn't referring to how she feels about the blog there. When folks leave/become disgruntled/disaffected whatever well often the stock answer is oh they are offended and thats the end of it. What I think she is trying to say is no, she isn't offended just hurt that things are different to how she thought they were growing up. She feels a bit disappointed.

      Also if she is using her blog for money she must have been feeling flush lately since she hasn't regularly blogged for ages.

      As to her sincerity well we can only guess, since neither of us know her. Lets call that a tomatoe, tomatoh thing, since she feels sincere to me:)

      Ok annon-do you mind if I call you that? I know we have just met. Thanks again fro your comment xx

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  4. Thanks for your comment anonymous 2, I'm afraid Annonymous 1 title is already taken!

    So I tried to reply to anon 1, but it sounded harsher than I intended so I deleted it.

    I'm struggling here with these comments so far, To be honest I've never had comments from strangers before. So I'm conflicted between happy to have comments and getting some feedback and not fully agreeing with the tone of the comments.

    So what should I do? I don't want to launch in to a full on defence but I didn't want to stay silent either. So here goes.

    I don't really agree with some of the conclusions here and find them a bit harsh, just saying....ok as you were peeps

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  5. Hi Lynne! This is the third time I attempt to leave a comment. I hope it works this time!
    I LOVED your post. You are a talented writer and I have to say I find myself right where you are, somewhere in between Stephanie and Courtney, They sure are different! But both brave and strong. I was so happy to see and recognize your name among those commenters. :) I miss you and hope to visit with you again in the next few years!!

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    1. Giulia my friend!!! Yep your comment worked:) So good to hear from you and interesting that you feel that way too. I get the feeling that you have to choose one or the other and that this is a sign of "where you are at" which I find frankly ridiculous. Well if you are in the middle too I feel like I am in very good company. xxx

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    2. Courtney and I delivered a baby on the same day, pretty much at the same time...kind of crazy. I remember reading her post when Erin was born (she delivered at home, unassisted) and feeling so close to her. I remember feeling how deep and beautiful her heart and soul was. I have struggled with some of her posts but those struggles were good for me, they forced me to be honest with myself and look at things from a different angle. Isn't that where (in part) growth come from? So yeah, I am grateful for her. I hope Stephanie and Courtney are able to coexist and agree to disagree on certain issues. How boring would life be if we all thought the same...no growth at all!! So good to hear from you!! Have a fabulous summer, my friend!

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    3. I could not agree more about the struggle thing, it's been good for me too and yes we don't all have to agree , I agree:) trouble is we become so emotionally attached to our beliefs (of course this is natural) but we become defensive. But there is a time and place for defending and a time to listen. I've found listening is usually better. I don't think that listening has to result in agreeing, but there is a lot of scaremongering goes on with that. Since we are told so often to stay away from lots of topics. I'm too curious to do that I'm afraid. I hope you have a lovely summer too and please do come to visit us here in Scotland one day, if you do my home is your home xxx

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  6. So I'm sorry I
    Posted on the wrong post. CJ has got to be the most intolerant person while demanding tolerance. I don't care that she is liberal or that she struggles with her faith...don't we all but
    If she does not like
    Your comment she will delete it
    Bcse she feels like you are talking down to her while she tells somebody to go to hell on Twitter
    When they explain what they believe while over on Facebook she is posting about everybody needs a voice but to CJ that is only strictly if you believe the way she does. She is a hypocrite bcse she doesn't realize her own intolerance. she goes
    Out of her way to call out everybody else but watch out if you do the same to her. Just wait for it. You will see snippets of these comments being tweeted by her later.

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  7. Ok annon, sorry I'm not sure if you are 1 or 2:) I'd feel like you too if that happened to me probably. It's really interesting that we are all feeling the same way on both sides of debate it seems. I'm using debate broadly to include whatever topic. We all want to feel fairly heard and fairly treated. We want people to understand us. What courtney had is a forum, so with that comes good and bad. I'm not sure how any of us would handle that. Does this make sense have I picked you up wrong? I know I am being defensive, I'd like not to be. I'm just aware I've written, uninvited about a stranger (am i just trying to cash in on her popularity and get readers? Maybe!) so I feel kind of responsible for what's said about them both here and wouldn't want it be hurtful to either of them since I feel I owe them that after taking their names in vein. I know courtney has read these comments and found them harsh. I don't know is that stifling free speech if you give it should you be prepared to take it? can we all do better in expressing ourselves respectfully? What do I know, I'm just trying to figure it all out. Maybe I'll write a blog post about it.....oh wait I just did:) well done I you read this comment to the end:) xx

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  8. https://twitter.com/cjanekendrick/status/611668806050537473

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      @AndersLynne your commenters are a pretty good example of what I described as LDS women who are unkind to people who struggle with faith.

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  9. Does she have a point? This is tricky stuff. If we could solve this we would have the recipe for world peace!

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  10. Also can we all just assume I am an excellent speller and blame predictive text and it sabotage!

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  11. But the point is, CJ finds them harsh bcse we don't agree with her. But the people that don't agree with her she tells them to go to hell. She is neither polite nor kind about those that disagree the hypocrisy is that she does not see these things in herself. She talks about how unkind people are who don't agree with her. I don't ever see anything but agreement with her in her blog comments. I think CJ greatly enjoys being a victim and is desperately trying to be relevant.

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  12. Hi there. My name is Jenny (not anonymous), and I thought your post was interesting. I've been following the sisters for some time now too, and I admire both CJane and Stephanie, although I admire them differently. For me, a major shift happened with CJ wrote her biography on the blog. I thought it was awful. I felt like she represented her family is such a terrible, one-sided (most often selfish) way. I have often wondered if those posts caused rifts in her large family. Regardless of her views on life, politics and religion - it was those posts that made me lose a little respect for her.

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  13. Hi Jenny, thanks for your comment. Which bio posts? Remind me. I know it would be sad if there is a rift in her family, its hard to imagine that there wouldn't be some feelings but I find it equally hard to imagine that they weren't still close. Who knows? Can you imagine having something like their blogs going on in your own family. It must make for a funny dynamic. I hope they can laugh it off when they are together. Anyway I can't think which posts you mean, tell me what one or two were about and it might come back to me x

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    1. Remember that she had a book deal in place, but then decided to write her life story on the blog instead (search My Life Story)? I was fascinated by the posts, but the tone was often "off" for me. In one she lamented how her mom wrote in her baby book that she was a good eater and a chubby baby, and the comments directed at her mom were simply awful - implying that her body issues stemmed from statements made about her as a baby. I was a good eater and a chubby baby too, and now I'm 6'1" and 140lbs. Big deal. It was at this point that she started commenting how she was taught in her home that her role as a woman was limited and inferior. I don't know. It was so odd, and happened often in these posts. We all remember things differently, but I hope that if I were writing my life story I could be a little more understand and forgiving of the people I love.

      Just saying...
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  14. Hey jenny, ok yeah I remember now I looked back and scanned over a couple of them. Ok first let me say I'm honestly not just jumping to her defence here....but....I think families can see the same things differently and it's not all roses all the time. As it goes they both had charmed upbringings and I see what you mean it maybe sounds a bit ungrateful to see it otherwise. I remember feeling that way as a teenager I had a lot of difficult times and would hear people grumble about things and would think they had no idea how luck they were. It used to make me angry. Then one day I listened to someone and thought you know what this is real to her and she is really sad about it. In fact not getting a pair of shoes seems to be making her as sad as I am about not having a stable home life. I found that having compassion for her made me feel better and less like a victim myself I realised everyone had problems even if I thought they were silly problems. I'm not sure what I'm saying here maybe nothing to do with your point which is maybe more about showing family loyalty and just basically sucking it up a bit more. I remember feeling something like that when I heard cjane complain about some jeans fitting or something when she had been in Stephanie's company I remember thinking she should be more sensitive and less self absorbed. So maybe you have a point. I guess I just don't mind the raw honesty of it, same way I don't mind the sugar coated idealism. Maybe I'm missing your point jenny, sorry if I am.

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    1. No, I totally get what you're saying Lynne. The problem for me is that it was being aired out in a very public forum and the people she was discussing were getting trashed in the comments with no way of defending themselves or presenting their perspectives. I personally wouldn't do that to my family...but that's why I don't have a blog. Thanks for the discussion. It was interesting.

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    2. No no thank you jenny! And you are welcome back anytime:) x.

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  15. Great post! I've been reading both blogs for years as well - and I am an inactive Mormon. Have been for many years, but still interested in Mormonism and the trends within the church - most of my extended family are still LDS. I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed to hear that Cjane was staying in the church, mainly because of my own issues about supporting the 'corporate' church if one doesn't agree with their tactics/politics, etc. But, on the other hand, if she does have a strong testimony of the Gospel, then kudos to her for sticking it out and trying to be a member on her own terms. I have just seen too much in all my years as a member to not be cynical that it will be a losing battle. But, hopefully for her - and others like her - the church and the church culture can change. It's got to be hard living in Provo though.

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  16. Hey K J I replied before but since I was typing on my phone it was littered with errors! (I'll blame the phone;) So to your comment, well you hit on a good point here. Is it the church that should change to fit the people or should the people change to fit the church.....this is the big question isn't it? Muddied by appeal to scripture and history which gives examples of both occurring. You are the first to comment from Cjanes perspective, I think it is good that you are able to see and own your bias about Cjanes decision to stay and how you came to that. No matter where we are coming from we all have a tendency toward only seeing what justifies our own position. I think it's called conformational bias, we all suffer from it. I wonder if it can blind us too, but is the alternative simply sitting on the fence and taking on every new bit of info and equally weighting it. At very least we allow people their own journey and try to wish them well just as you so graciously seem to be saying in your comment. Thanks again for your comment I am glad you enjoyed the post.

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  17. I've met Stephanie, but not Courtney, although CJ did tell me to go to hell on twitter once. Apparently I was being intolerant. I just sort of snickered at her outburst -- because she seems to be a fan of tolerance, but only on her terms.

    I check in on both blogs occasionally. They are interesting women. Stephanie seems to be very happy and content and like she's found peace in her situation in life. CJ does not seem to be at peace. I do feel sorry for her, because I feel the answers she seeks are already in her life, but she does not want what the Church and what the gospel have to offer. At least that's my take. My one worry about CJ is that she does have a lot of influence, and I hope that she is not leading others into crises of faith.

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